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Getting 11 week old in crib

I am a first time mom and I'm trying to get my 11 week old in his crib. Any advice will help. Since I've been breastfeeding I end up letting him sleep w/ me b/c we both fall asleep (I am a very light sleeper by nature so he's not in any danger). Plus, since he is my first baby I've spoiled him by holding him A LOT! He is a very good baby who rarely cries. He has slept in his crib but he must be TOTALLY asleep to stay in it. Last night he slept from 9pm to around 3 this morning. Then he woke up and I nursed him back to sleep. He slept with me for a few hours then I put him back in his crib from about 5am to 7am. I just started back to work and need as much sleep as I can get. Please don't tell me to let him cry it out, it's my fault that we've gotten into this habit and he shouldn't have to suffer for it. Should he be on a schedule by now or is he too little? I just started back to work last week (he just started daycare as well) . Should I wait until we both get used to our "new routine" and keep putting him in the crib to get him used to it?? In addition, all he does during the day is cat nap, when he comes home from daycare he's been sleeping ALL evening. I just want to do the right thing...Help please!

posted July 29, 2007 - 2:13am

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ibneaters wrote 1 year 16 weeks ago

We actually did the same thing for quite some time. (and my son is the same way, he never complains! I didn't even know he was teething until he bit me and it hurt!) It's going to take some time, but a friend suggested this to me. First of all, don't let him sleep between 7-9. Start putting him in his bed at a regular time, but put him in there when he's sleepy. Let him fuss for 5 minutes (yes, it's okay to do this-I've never let my child cry-only fuss). Go back in and comfort him, then leave again. Do this for about 20 - 30 minutes (whatever you feel comfortable with) and then take him out. Like I said, this will take a while, but the more you do it, the easier it will get. I put my son down at 8:30 now and he doesn't wake up until 8 the next morning. He's 10 1/2 months old, but he's been going down pretty easy since he was about 5 months old. I started this when he was about 3 1/2--4 months old, so, like I said, it will take patience, but you can do it.

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pattireis00 wrote 1 year 16 weeks ago

Now that I am 2 1/2 years into this, my biggest complaint about all the parenting books is that they present the whole sleep issue as if there are only two ways to approach it: let them sleep in your bed of let them cry it out! Boy do I wish I'd learned more before I let my daughter sleep in our bed for 18 months before finally trying to teach her to sleep in her own bed. It doesn't have to go to either extreme. We are still working on this a year after starting the process! (My daughter, unlike the kids of the bashoe and ibneaters, is not mellow; I won't go into too much detail, but her intensity has probably made the whole thing harder for me.)

My biggest advice to you, and I have learned this the hard way, is to be consistent. Once you've made the decision, don't back down and say "oh maybe just for one night it's okay to let him sleep in the bed." This will teach him that the rules are flexible and that all he has to do is find the right level of fussiness or crying that will make you change your mind. It's an extremely valuable tool to put into a child's hands! (It's probably okay to let him come in with you at a certain time in the morning, for a nice cuddle before you really wake up. But it should be the same every day.)

I totally agree, though, that you don't have to let your baby cry. Letting him fuss, toss and turn, etc. will allow him to learn how to soothe himself back to sleep. (And boy do I wish I'd started letting this happen sooner!) Letting him cry, though, just teaches him not to trust you. Once he starts crying, pick him up or comfort him in whatever way you wish (you might not want to nurse if you want him to sleep through the night), then when he's almost asleep leave the room again (or just go back to your bed if his crib is in your room). Do it consistently, and he will learn to go to sleep without you, not crying himself to sleep, just gently drifting off in his own way.

SAHM in SF Bay Area

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bashoe wrote 1 year 16 weeks ago

Thanks so much for both answers. I probably need to let him "fuss" more...it's just so hard b/c you want them to be happy all the time but I know that's not going to happen. SAHM, can you tell my why I shouldn't nurse him through the night? Much like his day time "cat napping", he tends to be a "grazer" when he nurses. He likes to eat every few hours. Maybe I should start giving him a bottle before I put him down so I know how much he's actually eating? Sleepy

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pattireis00 wrote 1 year 16 weeks ago

It's not so much that you "shouldn't" nurse him through the night, it's just that he may sleep better if you don't (which means you may all sleep better). I let my daughter nurse at night until, again, about 18 months. But it got to a point where she'd wake up constantly, and none of us were getting any sleep. By that point, it's harder to break the habit. At your son's age, he doesn't really need to nurse at night for calories, he's just doing it for comfort. There's nothing wrong with providing that comfort if you want to, but if it starts interfering with everyone's sleep it can be really, really rough. You may not have this problem if your son is mellow; again, my daughter is very, very intense and I'm convinced that has colored her sleeping patterns almost as much as the habits we've established.

You could consider a bottle, but you may not really need to. One trick I used when I was "night weaning" my daughter was to give her a little snack just before bed. Maybe some graham crackers or some apple slices with peanut butter (if he's eating that yet). But she was older so a bottle might work for you.

One book you might consider: "The No-Cry Sleep Solution for Preschoolers and Toddlers." The author is very sensitive to co-sleeping and the issues that arise from it. She has great suggestions for making the transition to the crib or bed.

One last word: I don't believe any sleep arrangement is "wrong." What's important is how well it works for your family, being consistent, and everyone getting a good night's sleep. Good luck!

SAHM in SF Bay Area

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ibneaters wrote 1 year 16 weeks ago

Just something to think about-as soon as I gave my son a bottle, he never nursed again, although your son is in daycare, so your situation might be different. I actually started giving my son about a tablespoon of rice cereal in his bottle per pediatrician recommendation. He has GERD, so this helped with spitting up all day and sleeping through the night. We also elevated one side of his bed, so that helped as well.

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bashoe wrote 1 year 16 weeks ago

Thankfully my son will take the breast AND bottle (he doesn't care where it comes from as long as he gets to eat! Big smiley ) He went down last night at about 9:30 (he was sound asleep before I put him in his crib) and he slept until around 1 or 2. I nursed him and let him sleep with me until about 5:15, he then slept in his pack and play while I was getting ready for work. I'm not sure if what we're doing in "normal" or not but so far it works for us. I just don't want to "ruin" him. My pediatrician told me not do cereal ( I have no idea why). I may ask again at his next visit. I'm a big worrier by nature but I've decided to not let this bother me anymore. There are a thousand website that tell me I'm doing the wrong thing then there are a thousand more that say I'm doing the right thing. I'm just going to keep doing what works for us and hopefully the older he gets the more he'll sleep in his crib. But as for right now the "cry it out" method is not for us....

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ibneaters wrote 1 year 16 weeks ago

There's so many things my pediatrician told us not to do! But we still do it. Robbie slept in his car seat for the first 4 months! He wouldn't sleep anywhere else, so I said Why Not! Now, I wouldn't tell my ped that, but it worked for us. Robbie also started eating pretty early. He ate baby food at about 4 months, but he was ready. We switched him to people food at about 6 months and now he just eats whatever we eat. We had pizza last night, and he at a whole slice! (he's about 10 1/2 months old) You just have to do what works for you and it seems that it's working right now. Like I said before, I don't let me son cry it out, ever. But if he's fussy, I don't get up and get him. Last night I shot right out of my bed because he started screaming (he had a nightmare), and I picked him up and cuddled him for about 30 minutes and then he went right back to bed. My ped would say to just let him cry-but that's not what works for us. Anyway, hope you find the method you're looking for. Anita

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pattireis00 wrote 1 year 16 weeks ago

Good for you Bashoe. You have to go with your instinct. (And the routine you have going right now doesn't sound bad at all, at least you are getting some good stretches of sleep. And as you said, it works for YOU and that's all that really matters.) Remember, if it does get difficult to have your son in your bed, as it did for me with my daughter, you can always change your routine later. I can't say it enough, though: whenever you decide to make a change, just be sure you are consistent. Good luck!

Oh, and your doc probably told you no cereal because the baby doesn't know he's getting extra calories that way. There's a link between putting cereal in the bottle and children being overweight because they can't judge when to stop drinking (but when the child has GERD, that's a bigger concern and the benefits outweigh the risks).

SAHM in SF Bay Area

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pattireis00 wrote 1 year 16 weeks ago

P.S. I misread your son's age (I thought it said 11 months, not 11 weeks!) So where I said he was nursing for comfort...I was definitely wrong! At 11 weeks he still needs those calories, of course! My mistake, sorry for any confusion. Surprised smiley

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bashoe wrote 1 year 16 weeks ago

No problem! Smiley Thank you ladies both SO much! It's great to just get other view points or talk to someone who has been through it. I think as first time mom you tend to think you're the only one who has ever been through these things. I did call his Ped and the nurse told me to give him a tiny bit of cereal a night...She said they normally don't recommend it but with him she didn't think it would be a problem and that she would tell the Ped she told me to. In addition...I'm not sure if Carson is going thru a growth spurt or not but he has been going thru the bottled breastmilk like crazy...I sent about 16oz to daycare today and by 9:30am he'd already taken 7 of that! As of 1:15 they had 4oz left...I'm going to have to pump like crazy to keep up with him!

Brooke

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ibneaters wrote 1 year 16 weeks ago

Oh, the growth spurt! I think Robbie is going through yet another one! He's 10 1/2 months old and almost 3 feet tall. He's also like 25 pounds now. I had to turn his car seat around (yes, I know he's not one yet, but he looked very uncomfortable sitting backwards-he either sat indian style or had his legs almost reaching the top of the backseat!) and lately, I've had to start ordering him his own meal when we go to restaurants. He can eat an entire hamburger or a whole slice of pizza in one sitting. When he was younger, I would go through so much formula! Anyway, best of luck to you. I'm sure you'll do fine.

PS-I now have a blog for questions and comments relating to motherhood-right now we're talking about good nutrition. anitaburnham.com if you want to check it out.

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pattireis00 wrote 1 year 16 weeks ago

You're welcome Brooke! It is definitely challenging being a new mom, and when you're doing something that your pediatrician (or in-laws, or your own mom, or whomever) does not agree with, it is extra tough. Neither my mom or my MIL thought much of us letting our daughter sleep with us, and when we started having problems with her sleeping, I felt like all I could hear in their tone was "I told you so" every time I brought it up. Sad face

Anita, I will definitely check out your blog when I get a chance! I've been wanting to start a blog myself, just haven't gotten around to it yet. Any words to the wise before I get started?

And by the way, where do you two ladies live? I am in Northern California currently...

Patti
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ibneaters wrote 1 year 16 weeks ago

First thing you need for a blog- a geek for a husband! (unless of course you can do things yourself!) We use drupal, which is pretty easy, but you definitely have to know what you're doing. I'm actually from Novato/Windsor, so I know where you are, however, now we live in Denver. We'll be out your way come the first week of October to visit my family, though. We moved because my husband felt a call to the ministry (well, he wanted to become a pastor.) We spent 3 years in St. Louis and then, miraculously, we got called to Denver, where his family lives. Anyway, it's been great talking with you both. Lots of great info and questions.

on a side note, it's actually a great thing that I don't live close to my family anymore. My mom is very overbearing and everything she says is right. My MIL lets me make my own decisions, unless I ask of course. But all in all, she is very supportive. Even with the fact that this former high school english teacher is planning on homeschooling!

Thanks again.

Anita Burnham
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pattireis00 wrote 1 year 16 weeks ago

Anita,

Thanks for the tips on blogging. As luck would have it, I DO have a geek husband, so I'm part way there already. LOL. I like to learn to do things for myself, but alas, I've allowed myself to become reliant on his tech skills. I visited your blog just now and it's great! I already started exploring Parent Hacks. What a great site! You obviously have lots of great tips to share. I'll be sure to check in again!

That's great that your MIL is so supportive. Mine actually is too, for the most part - just not with the sleep thing. I can practically see her rolling her eyes every time it comes up.

I'd love to say let's get together when you come out in October, but we might not be here. My husband has an interview this week in Southern California; we've been hoping to relocate there as we both have family scattered over various parts. I'm going to miss Northern California though.

Good luck with the homeschooling, that's fantastic. I think it's great for parents like you have the education background. Feel free to email me anytime (Brooke, you too if you're still reading this!) My address is pattireis@gmail.com.

Patti
SAHM in SF Bay Area

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bashoe wrote 1 year 16 weeks ago

I will definitely check out the blog and keep the e mail address handy! We did cereal for the first time last night...He was sound asleep by 9:30 but up again at 1:30. However, he slept ALL evening when he got home from daycare. I think he doesn't sleep at daycare b/c there is so much going on...Anyway...We're going to keep trying and eventually it will all work out...Oh, by the way, I'm located in Indiana. Thank you ladies so much and if you have anymore advice please feel free to e mail me at shoeby3@aol.com

Thanks!!
Brooke

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Jodi C wrote 1 year 16 weeks ago

Your Son sounds perfectly normal sleep wise for an 11 week old. A 5-6 hour stretch of sleep for a breastfed baby is really good. My daughter (now 3) wouldn't sleep unless she was confined but NOT swaddled. I tried having her sleep with me and even though I am a light sleeper too, we had one bad experience where I woke to her muffled noises under my pillow which was no where near her when I fell asleep 20 minutes earlier. That was the last time she ever came in bed with me. I had her bassinet at the foot of my bed for 4 months, but the only place she would sleep was in her stroller, thankfully her stoller bed disconnected from the frame and I just placed it in her basinet. Then at 4 months I moved her to her crib, slowly starting with naps first ,then at night when she got used to it. I did do the "cry it out" thing, but it only took 3 days and by the 3rd day she only fussed for about 5 minutes. After that she was sleeping 12 hours a night. I breastfed too but she got my milk in bottles because she never latched on correctly, so I pumped for 15 months with her. She would get a 5-6 oz bottle at about 9pm and she would sleep until about 9am.
I am a believer in "do whatever works" when it comes to babies, but don't set yourself up for more work later. Babies change their routines so many times in the first year, so don't bother getting too used to anything. Just find what works for you and your son and adjust to his needs as they change, or "tweek" the routine as I like to say. Consistancy is the key though, if you are consistant with him, he will be consistant with you. All the best to you!
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ibneaters wrote 1 year 16 weeks ago

Oh my! You pumped for 15 months! I thought I was crazy for doing it for 3 1/2! JK I would have pumped longer, but I ran out of milk. Good for you, I know how difficult that is! and very exhausting!

Anita Burnham
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pattireis00 wrote 1 year 16 weeks ago

Hear, hear, I was just tipping my hat to 15 months of pumping too! I had a hard time pumping, I think because I didn't start it early enough. I only went back to work for a few months just to tide us over until my DH found a better-paying job, and right when I quit I had just begun to think I was going to need to use some formula to keep up with the demand. But my daughter nursed constantly in those early months, and actually until she was about 11 months. If I didn't have enough milk pumped, I think she would have just waited until I got home anyway. Smiley

Jodi, I agree with your advice to do whatever works. Unfortunately, the things that worked for us early on DID make more work for us later. Oh well. Live and learn...

Patti
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bashoe wrote 1 year 16 weeks ago

We're still working on sleeping thru the night. There is no way I can not bring him in bed with me to nurse in the middle of the night when I have to work the next day. I'd be too exhausted to stay up with him. I'm just going to keep taking things one day at a time. Smiley He seems to like the rice cereal mixed with the breast milk, hopefully we can get a routine going soon (this is just my 2nd week back at work and his 2nd week at daycare). I'm going to try and breastfeed until he's a year old but it's so hard working and pumping!!!! If I could only win the lottery!!! Cool smiley

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pattireis00 wrote 1 year 15 weeks ago

It is hard to keep pumping, Brooke. Just remember we all do our best. No matter how long you are able to provide breastmilk, you gave your sone the best possible start. Never feel guilty because you are doing your best!The pumping may get easier, and you also might find he adjusts his eating habits so he waits til he's home with you and just nurses then.

Good luck!
Patti

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Jodi C wrote 1 year 12 weeks ago

Winning the Lottery would be awsome, god knows I enter enough online with Publishers Clearing House. I'm still waiting for them to show up with my giant check... Winking smiley

Going back to work was hard, deadlines, commuting, leaving earlier to make it in time to pick up at daycare...etc! Then add pumping and consistant milk production on top of it...oh wait I forgot sleep depervation... I'm with you ladies...HARD HARD HARD! Honestly, I saw pumping as a major hassle at work in the beginning. Then I realized it gave me 2-4 much needed breaks in my work day. I would take a book or magazine/catalogs with me and catch up on the reading that I couldn't do at home. I found pumping at home much harder to keep up with consistantly. Always something else to do or the baby wouldn't cooperate, but when I had to pump, it ment that Daddy had to take over and once again I got a needed break. The worst parts of the day for me was right before bed, when all I wanted to do was collapse into bed but I had to pump for 20 minutes first, then waking up at 5 am so I could pump for another 20-25 minutes first thing. That was my best "production" time though. I would get about 10-20 ounces every morning and I'm only a A-cup, or at least I was before I breastfed... Big smiley All I can say ladies is...HANG IN THERE...These are just passing phases and the end is nearer then you can imagine. My daughter is 3 1/2 now and as I type this she is pulling on me, begging for me to make her some Pop-corn. I would kill somedays for an excuse to just sit and let some machine do all the work... Big smiley
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Jodi

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